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Advisory Committee April 9, 2004 Committee Members and Guests Present: (*)*Michael A. De Miranda, Co-Chair College of Applied Human Sciences School of Education mdemira@cahs.colostate.edu *Pete Seel, Co-Chair Liberal Arts Ray Whalen College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical
Sciences David Theobald College of Natural Resources Department
of Natural Resource Recreation & Tourism *Susan Athey College of Business Department of Computer Information Systems Susan.Athey@ColoState.EDU *Sanjay Rajopadhye College of Natural Sciences Department of Computer Science Sanjay.Rajopadhye@ColoState.EDU *Ed Chong College of Engineering *Raj Khosla College of Agricultural Sciences Department
of Soil and Crop Science
Guests: 1. Review and acceptance of minutes of last meeting. Minutes of the meeting held on March 12, 2004 were accepted and approved. 2. Recap on Occupational Therapy Research Symposium -- Pete Seel reported that the ISTeC co-sponsored event with Occupational Therapy was a nice success. The first workshop presented by Dr. Greenleaf was attended by more than 200 people and the keynote address in the afternoon was an equal success. The committee agreed that events such as this that promote interdisciplinary activities and engage a broad spectrum of faculty should continue to be supported by ISTeC. 3. IBM liaison project with IBM. Joan Mitchell, Task Force Co-chair – Michael and Sanjay reported on the meeting at IBM on Thursday, March 25th. See meeting minutes attached to end of this report. 4. Update on fall 2004 "Computer Security in the 21st Century" Pete Seel reported on the progress of the planning with HP on the fall, 2004 conference. As of this meeting, no specific date had been selected, however it will be Friday in October, pending room availability in the LSC. 5. Status of proposal for fall 2004 symposium for High School Counselors and talented IT Students -- Michael reported that Friday, September 3, 2004 is the date that has been selected to hold the ISTeC High School IS&T Day @ CSU. Michael is working with a task force committee made up key stakeholders at CSU, a state wide counselor professional association, admissions office and department representatives to put this large event together. More detailed report to be delivered at next meeting. 6. The EAC Curriculum Forum update -- Pete reported that a curriculum forum group has met to discuss the need for this task force to work on the issue of technical computer skills across campus. 7. Report from IT Ethics subcommittee -- Ed Chong
reported that he has been meeting with a diverse
group of faculty across campus who are interested
in IS&T related ethics issues. Ed reported that
an initial meeting had spawned ideas and topics
such as media ethics, philosophy of technology and
exploration of epistemologies in science and technology.
The report was of great interest to the committee
and chair encouraged Dr. Chong to continue to connect
with this faculty group and include them in ISTeC
activities as appropriate. This Proposal has been Electronically Signed by the Authorized Organizational Representative (AOR). Program Information
NOTE -- the meeting with Cisco reps has been postponed
until May 7th Attachment A. Meeting minutes with IBM and EAC representatives, March 25, 2004. Minutes of the March 25, 2004 meeting between IBM and CSU held at IBM Boulder The meeting opened at 9:00/9:10? a.m. with the attendees introducing themselves. Attendees from Colorado State University (CSU) at Ft. Collins, CO: Scott Webb - University Advancement Attendees from the IBM Boulder site located at 6300 Diagonal Hwy, Boulder, CO: Dr. Bradford Brooks, Distinguished Engineer, Corporate
(Toxology) The following were unable to attend, but expect to participate in the future: Prof. Darrell Whitley - Chairman Department of
Computer Science This was the first meeting of the Information Science and Technology Center (ISTeC) Educational Advisory Committee (EAC) task group co-chaired by Joan L. Mitchell, IBM, and Mike De Miranda, CSU, created at the February 13, 2004 ISTeC meeting at CSU. Jay Smith, IBM Software engineer, who is in the process of applying to CSU graduate school shared some of his experiences. He had to leave part way through the meeting in order to attend Prof. H.J. Siegel's class at CSU. Jay attended HJ's Boulder Technical Vitality Council sponsored lecture on "Robust Resource Allocation in Computing Systems" at IBM on January, 13, 2004. Jay also went to the round table that followed the talk. He promptly started attending HJ's CSU class and that is what inspired him to apply for graduate school at CSU. Appendix A captures some of the discussion and comments made during (and in some cases after) the meeting. It was noted that the admissions are done at the department level. Having a department professor as an advocate makes it much easier to tailor the requirements to the professional's individual situation. Credit can be given for past work experience in some cases. Also the distance learning classes in one department can often be applied towards the requirements of another department if relevant. Everyone was interested in knowing what courses should be on-line. Appendix B reproduces the handout generated by Joan to capture some of her correspondence and thoughts on this topic. She made it clear to the group that she was representing her own opinions, but intended to use the group results to make some recommendations to IBM. The group agreed to the following mission statement for the ISTeC EAC task group: Examine CSU Department and Graduate School requirements and make recommendations for additional flexibility to better meet the needs of IBM-sponsored professionals retraining and completing advanced degrees. The first step will be a pilot where CSU professors from CS, ECE, College of Business, School of Education, Math, and Statistics (as needed other departments can be added) will be hosted by Joan L. Mitchell to give a technical talk about their research and stay for a roundtable discussion if there is sufficient demand. The professors will have an interest in meeting bright potential students. They will be able to re-direct students to other professors if the interests would make a better match. Joan committed to pay the first six speakers honorariums of $100 each. The talks will take place at IBM about once a month (skipping the summer months). The CSU attendees left with Joan the following promotional and program information about graduate degree programs and certificate programs in their departments related to IS&T: CSU Graduate & Professional Bulletin 2003-2004 The meeting adjourned at 11:30 a.m. ************************************************************************ Appendix A. Additional comments and information exchanged during or after the meeting. On the topic of GREs: The GREs have been used to show the student's commitment. At one time is was a requirement for all graduate schools. That is no longer true, but some departments have been slow to remove the requirement. Joan expressed that GREs can discourage full-time students from even considering enrolling in a degree program. Fixed Application Dates: Actually it is OK to enroll up to two weeks after classes start. Start to finish maximum time: In this rapidly changing world, the information taught in class can become stale. It is an incentive to move students along who would otherwise drag their feet. Class attendance requirements: This is decided by each professor who has the flexibility to set the requirements for his own classes. Most professors are flexible particularly when it comes to necessary business trips. Working professionals need to make arrangements with their professors before enrolling so that there will be no misunderstandings. Corporate-sponsored professionals: IBM has an acknowledged strong vetting process and would only sponsor professionals who are expected to contribute to the business and have a strong likelihood of future success. The university must apply its rules uniformly. Not all corporations would be sending people with a demonstrated strong track record (e.g. owners of failing start-ups). The graduate school of admissions would not be able to know that every corporate sponsored applicant has been properly vetted. Institutional culture: The university is built on the assumption that face-to-face is the preferred instruction mode. Graduate students have traditionally provided inexpensive labor to work on research. Full-time working professions who are conducting their research off-campus will affect the culture. Where will the value come from so that after years of mentoring the students leave as capable junior scientists. Brad Brooks commented that today's industrial professionals have become accustomed to remote (e.g. e-mail, same-time, conference calls, etc) interactions and team work. Master's theses are recommended if a student expects to write a Ph.D. thesis. The Doctorate of Interdisciplinary Studies lists the specialization areas. Although arranged through the School of Education, it does not necessarily produce an Doctorate of Education. The STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) program takes only three semesters for professionals with degrees in STEM areas to obtain teachers credentials. The Business School can deliver on-site courses if 50 people (maybe 35-40?) are committed to obtain their MBAs. The Business School already offers an distance MBA (see list of information left at IBM). If the group needs a "themed" MBA (e.g. Life sciences+ MBA), this can be arranged. ************************************************************************ Appendix B. Handout generated by Joan L. Mitchell to provide a basis for some discussion. Not all topics were covered.
IBM Boulder, CO 3/25/04 draft prepared by Joan L. Mitchell Scott Webb - University Advancement *********************************** Bradford Brooks, Distinguished Eng., Corporate
(Toxology) Unable to attend, but wants to be included: Victor Walker - SDF e-business Strategy & Architecture *********************************** Extracts from Mike De Miranda's original CSU note about today's meeting: "meeting with Joan Mitchell from IBM at Boulder,
to discuss their needs *********************************** Subject The CSU people are coming to talk to us about the
needs of industry for P.S. They understand that this is not an official
IBM position. I'm *********************************** "Welcome to the IBM meeting to be held tomorrow
March 25th from 9-11 on *********************************** From Joan L. Mitchell's 2003 Fellow Report: "Towards the end of 2003 I became convinced
that we need IBMers to *********************************** Note from a friend about IBM retraining: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/35945.html *********************************** Dr. Ray Morrison American Society for Engineering Education (ASEE)
where he has served on two "Do you want to talk to ASEE CPD graduate school (?) committee?" *********************************** Satisfaction: How happy were you with the job we did? Loyalty: How happy will you be to have us do your next job? JLM suggestion to industry: Instead of laying off
highly valued *********************************** e-mail from JLM sent Jan. 21, 2004 Subject Completing educational degrees ... The subject that I wanted to discuss with you
has to do with ... Some current thoughts on the subject: Categories: Barriers: *********************************** Edited note from engineer choosing between two departments for PhD program: Subject: Dept. A or B for the application Joan, Dept. B has a requirement in their handbook that
says the PhD candidate must Dept. A on the other hand does not have the on-campus After reading through the degree requirements for
both Dept. A and B I came thanks *********************************** Subject Re: Fw: Completing educational degrees Joan, These are the two things that work around the rules: 1. Waive GRE general test *********************************** CU's Leeds School of Business Evening MBA program *********************************** "new focus on educating current/future students in the area of services" "current workforce would benefit form more formal training in [services]" "skills" *********************************** Grady Booch speaking about off-shoring software
engineering jobs *********************************** Proposed mission statement of the CSU ISTeC EAC
task group co-chaired by Examine generic/CSU/Department Graduate School
requirements and make Consensus mission statement: Industrial scholarship programs that allow traditional
full-time "Cheap" degrees are useless. ***********************************
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